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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 7, 2022 11:15:59 GMT -8
I think it's time we change the format for how trades are evaluated. Most guys here know what they're doing by now and I think it's time we abolish the acceptance/rejection for those members.
Here is my proposed idea:
Trades involving veteran members of the site (anybody here for 3 months or more) are automatically accepted UNLESS a committee of admins suspects that there is collusion/cheating happening. Only then will the trade be eligible for the league to evaluate it and decide on whether or not the trade is good to put through. This instance should be very rare as I don't believe that anybody on these sites will be cheating.
Trades involving new members (below 3 months) must go through the acceptance/rejection process, this is to save new members from being hurt in a trade when they aren't fully aware of how the site works yet.
Some of you might now like this idea but I think it's for the best that we move down this path. Most guys know what they're doing by now and if two veterans are happy with a trade then that's all that should matter. We want to make this as realistic as possible and we know that if NHL GMs could've rejected the Hall/Larsson trade they would have but alas, they're GMs and don't need babying regardless of how bad of a mistake they may be making. We live and we learn, right?
Kruze, go ahead and ridicule this idea and call me every name under the sun, I am waiting for it.
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 7, 2022 11:44:08 GMT -8
Where have YOU been? This has been our deal for a while now pretty much. We’re not ditching the process, because I think it’s still good to have a peek and make sure everything above board. But VETs trading with VETs never receives a ton of scrutiny. We still gotta watch out for the noobs, and make sure rules being followed, but ya live with your mistakes around here  |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 7, 2022 11:49:56 GMT -8
FYI, I left all the rejects from the last ERA posted just in case
We had a total of 11 all last ERA. 7 seasons, with plenty of new guys coming in and out. That’s not bad at all. I personally think we’re fine with the current system the way it’s functioning. Not broken, don’t fix it
Most of the Rejects were exactly what they are there for. Catching cap issues, retention issues, and general stuff like that
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 7, 2022 12:30:09 GMT -8
What I'm saying is that we don't even need trades to be accepted/rejected by mods, guys can discuss the trade and whatnot but once it's posted and accepted by both teams it is final. This also stops the "OMG I can't believe you morons let this trade through, wake the fuck up and get your heads out of your asses!" comments
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 7, 2022 12:44:03 GMT -8
What I'm saying is that we don't even need trades to be accepted/rejected by mods, guys can discuss the trade and whatnot but once it's posted and accepted by both teams it is final. This also stops the "OMG I can't believe you morons let this trade through, wake the fuck up and get your heads out of your asses!" comments Yeah, but there isn’t really a need to change it. Kruze can say whatever he wants, but it just shows HE’s not really understanding what the process is for veteran GMs. It’s not like we getting a bunch of rejects that warrant bypassing that process It’s still good to have in the back pocket. But I think everyone here knows, or should know, I want you guys to be able to make deals without worrying about that kinda stuff. Sometimes these can take hours to hammer out. So as long as it’s legal, with a VET, and isn’t an obvious case of some BS, it’s getting through 99% of the time. Not sure what else you want really. I don’t think AUTO approvals is necessarily the way we need to go. I actually think the process in itself helps weed out potential bad deals before they even get posted tbh. You take that away, suddenly it’s flooded with questionables maybe. Then people mad because YOU SAID THEY ALL GET THROUGH! Don’t want to mess with that. Last ERA was so chill in these regards, let’s not test it |
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Post by Dinamo Riga GM on Sept 7, 2022 12:51:45 GMT -8
This also stops the "OMG I can't believe you morons let this trade through, wake the fuck up and get your heads out of your asses!" comments you can't honestly think this idea would lead to LESS of that? |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 7, 2022 13:08:15 GMT -8
I can tell you guys are trying to capitalize words but you really gotta pay attention to see which words you're trying to capitalize because all letters are capitalized no matter what lol. Can we change the font?
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 7, 2022 13:21:20 GMT -8
I can tell you guys are trying to capitalize words but you really gotta pay attention to see which words you're trying to capitalize because all letters are capitalized no matter what lol. Can we change the font? The Font is a little tricky in that, someone somewhere is gonna have problem with it no matter what. Just trying to find one that looks good and easy to read for most If most you guys want it changed, just like this post and I’ll change if enough people want it changed You don’t like the all caps? Or the actual font itself? |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 7, 2022 13:31:19 GMT -8
I can tell you guys are trying to capitalize words but you really gotta pay attention to see which words you're trying to capitalize because all letters are capitalized no matter what lol. Can we change the font? The Font is a little tricky in that, someone somewhere is gonna have problem with it no matter what. Just trying to find one that looks good and easy to read for most If most you guys want it changed, just like this post and I’ll change if enough people want it changed You don’t like the all caps? Or the actual font itself? I'm fine with the font, like when you're typing it looks fine but once it's posted it goes all caps and it makes my brain hurt lol |
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Post by Dinamo Riga GM on Sept 8, 2022 5:59:58 GMT -8
I can tell you guys are trying to capitalize words but you really gotta pay attention to see which words you're trying to capitalize because all letters are capitalized no matter what lol. Can we change the font? The Font is a little tricky in that, someone somewhere is gonna have problem with it no matter what. Just trying to find one that looks good and easy to read for most If most you guys want it changed, just like this post and I’ll change if enough people want it changed You don’t like the all caps? Or the actual font itself? All caps = not good. We're all better trained for word recognition with uncapitalized letters. The way there are tall letters and short ones and ones that go below the line, etc. With the all caps it turns even short paragraphs into walls of unreadable text. I like having a new font, it freshens things up in a nice way, but not an all caps font. |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 8, 2022 6:20:31 GMT -8
The Font is a little tricky in that, someone somewhere is gonna have problem with it no matter what. Just trying to find one that looks good and easy to read for most If most you guys want it changed, just like this post and I’ll change if enough people want it changed You don’t like the all caps? Or the actual font itself? All caps = not good. We're all better trained for word recognition with uncapitalized letters. The way there are tall letters and short ones and ones that go below the line, etc. With the all caps it turns even short paragraphs into walls of unreadable text. I like having a new font, it freshens things up in a nice way, but not an all caps font. Plus the writer in me feels broken inside seeing all caps lmao |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 8, 2022 7:06:26 GMT -8
Alright, alright I’ll change it. I did it for the player names and such. I think it looks nice on the player formatting :/
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Post by Traktor Chelyabinsk GM on Sept 8, 2022 7:11:11 GMT -8
How tf did dis conversation go from trade accept/reject system to a font change?
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 8, 2022 9:04:54 GMT -8
How tf did dis conversation go from trade accept/reject system to a font change? Because we as humans will never stop complaining about things. Also, the new format looks great, thanks Slovan Stags GM! |
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Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Sept 8, 2022 13:44:25 GMT -8
can we change font to Comic Sans  |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 8, 2022 14:04:09 GMT -8
Where have YOU been? This has been our deal for a while now pretty much. We’re not ditching the process, because I think it’s still good to have a peek and make sure everything above board. But VETs trading with VETs never receives a ton of scrutiny. We still gotta watch out for the noobs, and make sure rules being followed, but ya live with your mistakes around here Yes, we still have to watch out for the noobs, but we also have keep veteran GMs on the up and up too, to ensure player's actual values still stay intact, or else there's no point in doing any of this at all. 🤷 When I evaluate trades, I, personally, don't care if you've been here for 3 days, 3 months, 3 years or 30 years, that doesn't change how I evaluate the fairness of a trade. I don't subscribe to this idea that because "they've been here for a while, they know what they're doing". Cuz yes, they do know what they're doing, and that's all the more reason to maintain some level of scrutiny instead of being so lax that we allow veteran GMs aquire all-star players for the equivalent of a bag of peanuts, and get someone else to pay their cap for them, just cuz they're "experienced" and have been here for a while. 🙄 Not only is that unfair to the team trading away the player(s), but it's also unfair to the rest of the league because it sets unfair precedent & unrealistic value for all the players in this format that aren't 26-28 and under, and it makes it virtually impossible to gauge any sort of value unless a player has "potential" value; all because one guy decided it was a good idea to trade away an actual 87-89 for a half decent prospect and crappy 1st. Meanwhile, the rest of us that have those similar types of players to move as well, can't, and/or won't, get fair value due to the last guy getting absolutely zip for his, so other guys figure they can just offer a prospect & crappy pick for any player, including all-star players, which is absolutely ridiculous, cuz they'll cite that last deal as the "market value", which in reality, it isn't, but because it was put through by the moderators, it's allowed a paltry, low market value to be accepted here, which in turn becomes the norm, and screws everyone else. You'd think with all this vast experience & knowledge of the veteran GMs, that stuff like that wouldn't, and shouldn't, happen, and you'd know better... but yet it still does cuz of a select sect of veteran GMs are still playing a game of screw your neighbor, and trying to find a way to do it within the rules. Then, when they can't, they come up with these little buzzwords like "negative value" & "potential value", and others start drinking to kool-aid cuz they see they can get all-star for nothing too, so they just agree with it, not realizing how that affects the entire league as a whole. 🤷 Sorry that was long again, but I like being clear. |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 8, 2022 14:22:51 GMT -8
Hey Kruze, look at some of the stud teams over the last few years and I bet you'll realize most of them were rebuilds that starting from selling their star players for prospects and picks.
Will it work out always? No. Will they win some of their trades? Yes. It's a part of the league and while you're getting mad at me for putting value on prospects you're overvaluing the older guys as well. The fact is both have their own values and it's dependent on what a team is looking for. A rebuilding team will ask for a lot more for their 20 year old 80 overall player than a competing team will because the 20 year old means more to the rebuilding team's future than the 20 year old means to the competing team's present season. The value is in the eye of the beholder and if I value my kids more than your vets then I have every right to do that.
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 8, 2022 17:59:56 GMT -8
I think you’re misunderstand something Seattle Spitfires GM . When I said that’s how we do things, it wasn’t a question. IM TELLING YOU. THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE ON TRADES If YOU made a bad trade, I don’t care. If Jagr or Sens, TJG, BSP, or redmark91, make a bad trade, I don’t really care IM TELLING YOU, this is how THIS league is gonna operate. And I’ve been saying it for 7 seasons now. YOU guys set the values. The MARKET sets the value. I’m not gonna sit here, or ask all of you to micromanage every transaction that goes on. EVERYONE here knows how this place operates sans 1-2 guys (and apparently you Kruze?) We watch out for them until they get it sorted and we all feel like they’re ready to fly on their own. I’m not understanding why this is so hard for you I’m not going as far as Aachen der Adlers GM suggested in this thread, because we all saw Seider deals leading into S7. That other trade isn’t that. And again to make sure it’s actually legal and able to be made Pretty much everything around here has been open for debate since the beginning. But I’m standing firm on this. Way more leagues die because of trade moderation and constant bitching than from allowing guys to make trades on their own without constantly micromanaging everything |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 8, 2022 18:05:50 GMT -8
I think you’re misunderstand something Seattle Spitfires GM . When I said that’s how we do things, it wasn’t a question. IM TELLING YOU. THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE ON TRADES If YOU made a bad trade, I don’t care. If Jagr or Sens, TJG, BSP, or redmark91, make a bad trade, I don’t really care IM TELLING YOU, this is how THIS league is gonna operate. And I’ve been saying it for 7 seasons now. YOU guys set the values. The MARKET sets the value. I’m not gonna sit here, or ask all of you to micromanage every transaction that goes on. EVERYONE here knows how this place operates sans 1-2 guys (and apparently you Kruze?) We watch out for them until they get it sorted and we all feel like they’re ready to fly on their own. I’m not understanding why this is so hard for you I’m not going as far as Aachen der Adlers GM suggested in this thread, because we all saw Seider deals leading into S7. That other trade isn’t that. And again to make sure it’s actually legal and able to be made Pretty much everything around here has been open for debate since the beginning. But I’m standing firm on this. Way more leagues die because of trade moderation and constant bitching than from allowing guys to make trades on their own without constantly micromanaging everything I did say that the admins could veto a trade… |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 6:41:24 GMT -8
I think you’re misunderstand something Seattle Spitfires GM . When I said that’s how we do things, it wasn’t a question. IM TELLING YOU. THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE ON TRADES If YOU made a bad trade, I don’t care. If Jagr or Sens, TJG, BSP, or redmark91, make a bad trade, I don’t really care IM TELLING YOU, this is how THIS league is gonna operate. And I’ve been saying it for 7 seasons now. YOU guys set the values. The MARKET sets the value. I’m not gonna sit here, or ask all of you to micromanage every transaction that goes on. EVERYONE here knows how this place operates sans 1-2 guys (and apparently you Kruze?) We watch out for them until they get it sorted and we all feel like they’re ready to fly on their own. I’m not understanding why this is so hard for you I’m not going as far as Aachen der Adlers GM suggested in this thread, because we all saw Seider deals leading into S7. That other trade isn’t that. And again to make sure it’s actually legal and able to be made Pretty much everything around here has been open for debate since the beginning. But I’m standing firm on this. Way more leagues die because of trade moderation and constant bitching than from allowing guys to make trades on their own without constantly micromanaging everything No, I don't misunderstand at all, and no amount of caps lock is going to make that a fact. 🤷 I also completely disagree with you that the deal in question wasn't a Seider deal, cuz it really was, and it does set a bad precedent for the entire league. Especially when the commish is a part of the deal & receiving 2 picks. So I totally get that you don't want that deal to be a bad deal, cuz you're basically endorsing it; which is fine, that's your perogative. It's just that not everyone agrees with that; I'm one of them. I'm also a firm believer that not all of the NHL's real life rules & regulations are transferrable to a sim league cuz it truly is a different medium & format. Just as you don't care if people make bad trades, I don't care what they do in real life, cuz this isn't real life. We get to see exactly where a player's development and a player's skill level after development, but all of that gets thrown out the window cuz you really seem to want only young players under 26 to have any value whatsoever, usually overinflated, and screw all the rest of players cuz you're starting buying into this nonsensical belief that players are useless after 27, which creates an imbalance in player values across the board, when it clearly states in your own rules that automatic player regression doesn't occur until age 34. Yet many folks are projecting downgrades too early on older players valuing them as if they're downgrading for sure already, and then somehow already valuing a 20 yr old at an 85-87+, when they're still 74s-75s. It's utter insanity, man. The market isn't setting the value at all, it's these GMs that are overvaluing young players, and undervaluing older players that are setting the market with shitty trades like that. It's not about micromanaging, but at some point the league does need to step in and reign GMs in, at least a little bit, otherwise trading will become virtually stagnant cuz the player values are so out of wack that suddenly you're seeing "veteran GMs" trading a 92, 30 yr old for a 76, 19 yr old... Oh that's ok... They know what they're doing. 🙄 Yeah, they do... And not in a good way. |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 6:55:12 GMT -8
Hey Kruze, look at some of the stud teams over the last few years and I bet you'll realize most of them were rebuilds that starting from selling their star players for prospects and picks. Will it work out always? No. Will they win some of their trades? Yes. It's a part of the league and while you're getting mad at me for putting value on prospects you're overvaluing the older guys as well. The fact is both have their own values and it's dependent on what a team is looking for. A rebuilding team will ask for a lot more for their 20 year old 80 overall player than a competing team will because the 20 year old means more to the rebuilding team's future than the 20 year old means to the competing team's present season. The value is in the eye of the beholder and if I value my kids more than your vets then I have every right to do that. To an extent, yes absolutely... But when their values are put right in front of you with their overalls, and you completely ignore them for some false projections, either way, whether it's a young player or an older player, that's where things disintegrated cuz then the players don't have any real, true value at all. It just all becomes projections & what ifs for young & old alike. |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Sept 9, 2022 7:42:27 GMT -8
Hey Kruze, look at some of the stud teams over the last few years and I bet you'll realize most of them were rebuilds that starting from selling their star players for prospects and picks. Will it work out always? No. Will they win some of their trades? Yes. It's a part of the league and while you're getting mad at me for putting value on prospects you're overvaluing the older guys as well. The fact is both have their own values and it's dependent on what a team is looking for. A rebuilding team will ask for a lot more for their 20 year old 80 overall player than a competing team will because the 20 year old means more to the rebuilding team's future than the 20 year old means to the competing team's present season. The value is in the eye of the beholder and if I value my kids more than your vets then I have every right to do that. To an extent, yes absolutely... But when their values are put right in front of you with their overalls, and you completely ignore them for some false projections, either way, whether it's a young player or an older player, that's where things disintegrated cuz then the players don't have any real, true value at all. It just all becomes projections & what ifs for young & old alike. But that's all apart of the game. You can never take any player for what their current value is, you always have to think seasons ahead. Will they grow? Will they downgrade? Will I be able to resign? How will my other players be around them? Every move you make involves projections for the current and future seasons. It's why I'll never make a trade without thinking at least three seasons ahead. |
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Post by Atlanta Thrashers GM on Sept 9, 2022 7:52:49 GMT -8
Kruze it seems you've discovered a market inefficiency. It sounds like you could get some older stars pretty cheap
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:07:19 GMT -8
To an extent, yes absolutely... But when their values are put right in front of you with their overalls, and you completely ignore them for some false projections, either way, whether it's a young player or an older player, that's where things disintegrated cuz then the players don't have any real, true value at all. It just all becomes projections & what ifs for young & old alike. But that's all apart of the game. You can never take any player for what their current value is, you always have to think seasons ahead. Will they grow? Will they downgrade? Will I be able to resign? How will my other players be around them? Every move you make involves projections for the current and future seasons. It's why I'll never make a trade without thinking at least three seasons ahead. Yes, but it's only a small part of the game though, that's just it. You're trying to make it the entire game, which it isn't... And, in that process, you're making it difficult for the rest of the league to actually get fair value for their players. |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:14:04 GMT -8
Kruze it seems you've discovered a market inefficiency. It sounds like you could get some older stars pretty cheap Oh, shut your ass already, Crank... 🙄 That's literally the furthest thing from my mind cuz I'm usually the one trying to move those older players, and you can't get proper value for them cuz all anyone wants to send you is useless spare parts that you've got an abundance of already. |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:18:44 GMT -8
I think you’re misunderstand something Seattle Spitfires GM . When I said that’s how we do things, it wasn’t a question. IM TELLING YOU. THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE ON TRADES If YOU made a bad trade, I don’t care. If Jagr or Sens, TJG, BSP, or redmark91, make a bad trade, I don’t really care IM TELLING YOU, this is how THIS league is gonna operate. And I’ve been saying it for 7 seasons now. YOU guys set the values. The MARKET sets the value. I’m not gonna sit here, or ask all of you to micromanage every transaction that goes on. EVERYONE here knows how this place operates sans 1-2 guys (and apparently you Kruze?) We watch out for them until they get it sorted and we all feel like they’re ready to fly on their own. I’m not understanding why this is so hard for you I’m not going as far as Aachen der Adlers GM suggested in this thread, because we all saw Seider deals leading into S7. That other trade isn’t that. And again to make sure it’s actually legal and able to be made Pretty much everything around here has been open for debate since the beginning. But I’m standing firm on this. Way more leagues die because of trade moderation and constant bitching than from allowing guys to make trades on their own without constantly micromanaging everything No, I don't misunderstand at all, and no amount of caps lock is going to make that a fact. 🤷 I also completely disagree with you that the deal in question wasn't a Seider deal, cuz it really was, and it does set a bad precedent for the entire league. Especially when the commish is a part of the deal & receiving 2 picks. So I totally get that you don't want that deal to be a bad deal, cuz you're basically endorsing it; which is fine, that's your perogative. It's just that not everyone agrees with that; I'm one of them. I'm also a firm believer that not all of the NHL's real life rules & regulations are transferrable to a sim league cuz it truly is a different medium & format. Just as you don't care if people make bad trades, I don't care what they do in real life, cuz this isn't real life. We get to see exactly where a player's development and a player's skill level after development, but all of that gets thrown out the window cuz you really seem to want only young players under 26 to have any value whatsoever, usually overinflated, and screw all the rest of players cuz you're starting buying into this nonsensical belief that players are useless after 27, which creates an imbalance in player values across the board, when it clearly states in your own rules that automatic player regression doesn't occur until age 34. Yet many folks are projecting downgrades too early on older players valuing them as if they're downgrading for sure already, and then somehow already valuing a 20 yr old at an 85-87+, when they're still 74s-75s. It's utter insanity, man. The market isn't setting the value at all, it's these GMs that are overvaluing young players, and undervaluing older players that are setting the market with shitty trades like that. It's not about micromanaging, but at some point the league does need to step in and reign GMs in, at least a little bit, otherwise trading will become virtually stagnant cuz the player values are so out of wack that suddenly you're seeing "veteran GMs" trading a 92, 30 yr old for a 76, 19 yr old... Oh that's ok... They know what they're doing. 🙄 Yeah, they do... And not in a good way. Arguably the best D man of the ERA vs a 33 year old Voracek. Sure bud The only thing I’m endorsing is the ability for experienced GMs to make their own mistakes You appear to be the only one who disagrees You need to, because that how we running the league for the most part. Look at my roster from last ERA, I had mostly vets and middle guys. It’s NOT ME, it’s the GMs. The GMs ARE THE MARKET LOL! You guys ARE the market! So when you say it’s not the market, but the GMs, what are you even saying? No, that’s exactly what it’s about. You want me to tell GMs how to value their assets. I’m not gonna do that for people who have been around and know what’s up. I kinda think you’re misunderstand overalls a bit. You kinda acting like because they an 87, it guarantees they perform like 87. If I suddenly had Chytil at a 90, I can almost promise you his value wouldn’t be that of a 90. Why? Because he never sims like a 90. You can kinda treat OAs as a scouting tool really. Because it only means so much. Some guys just don’t sim as well. Soooo, sometimes, as Aachen der Adlers GM alluded to earlier, you get a guy like a Kaprizov in past ERAs. Rated low, but everyone knows what’s gonna happen. Sometimes you overpay early for a guy like that. Because once they get going, they not moving. Stop acting like OAs are the end all be all of everything. It’s not. Plenty of downgrades guys blew up after, some upgraded guys sucked a fat one after getting boosted. It’s all a crap shoot really. People look for the right fit for them at that precise time, and pay what the going rate in the league is, or what your personal skill level is at negotiating. Again, that’s the way I want it. And I think most people have enjoyed what we do, and like the freedom You can argue all day about wether :mch: got full value etc, that’s fine. You can say you sure as shit wouldn’t do it. Also fine. But it’s not reject worthy, and it’s not causing so huge of a league problem worthy of the amount of posts and views this is getting |
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Post by Atlanta Thrashers GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:20:48 GMT -8
Kruze it seems you've discovered a market inefficiency. It sounds like you could get some older stars pretty cheap Oh, shut your ass already, Crank... 🙄 That's literally the furthest thing from my mind cuz I'm usually the one trying to move those older players, and you can't get proper value for them cuz all anyone wants to send you is useless spare parts that you've got an abundance of already. Man, it really sucks that everyone seemingly treats you differently in deals |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:25:39 GMT -8
Kruze it seems you've discovered a market inefficiency. It sounds like you could get some older stars pretty cheap Oh, shut your ass already, Crank... 🙄 That's literally the furthest thing from my mind cuz I'm usually the one trying to move those older players, and you can't get proper value for them cuz all anyone wants to send you is useless spare parts that you've got an abundance of already. And there it is. A YOU problem. YOU can’t seem to find what YOU deem to be proper value This has been up for a couple days now. Where is the flood of GMs having the same problem? Liking your posts and telling you “keep going Kruze!” ? I’m not seeing it. Getting a few messages on the other side though |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:35:19 GMT -8
Oh, shut your ass already, Crank... 🙄 That's literally the furthest thing from my mind cuz I'm usually the one trying to move those older players, and you can't get proper value for them cuz all anyone wants to send you is useless spare parts that you've got an abundance of already. And there it is. A YOU problem. YOU can’t seem to find what YOU deem to be proper value This has been up for a couple days now. Where is the flood of GMs having the same problem? Liking your posts and telling you “keep going Kruze!” ? I’m not seeing it. Getting a few messages on the other side though It's not just a ME problem when trades like that set a precedent for the entire league. |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Sept 9, 2022 8:52:21 GMT -8
Oh, shut your ass already, Crank... 🙄 That's literally the furthest thing from my mind cuz I'm usually the one trying to move those older players, and you can't get proper value for them cuz all anyone wants to send you is useless spare parts that you've got an abundance of already. Man, it really sucks that everyone seemingly treats you differently in deals Shut the fuck up already Crank, cuz you're one of them. 🤷 And it's comments like your shit here: Kruze it seems you've discovered a market inefficiency. It sounds like you could get some older stars pretty cheap That perpetuates this untrue belief that somehow ALL I want is older players, and that's never been the case at all, ever. You, and a couple others, I expect it from cuz you're just troll ass bitches and haven't hit your mental puberty yet, but rumors travel, and when enough people say to another: "Oh, Kruze will take that guy, he likes older players.", it doesn't matter cuz that becomes the perception, when the reality is that I'm just simply appalled at how far the undercutting of veteran player values has gotten, cuz it's completely disproportionate to what actually happens with them. |
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