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HAL MAD
Mar 12, 2022 21:47:08 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 12, 2022 21:47:08 GMT -8
To  2nd 2025 MAD TO  No longer pays 0.5M for Brodin accept. steinkej4 |
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HAL MAD
Mar 12, 2022 22:00:11 GMT -8
Post by steinkej4 on Mar 12, 2022 22:00:11 GMT -8
Yup
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HAL MAD
Mar 12, 2022 22:14:31 GMT -8
Post by Iceland Crazy Vikings GM on Mar 12, 2022 22:14:31 GMT -8
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HAL MAD
Mar 12, 2022 22:38:34 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 12, 2022 22:38:34 GMT -8
He may have meant 2025, just checked his roster and he only has 2025 listed
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Post by steinkej4 on Mar 13, 2022 7:01:22 GMT -8
He may have meant 2025, just checked his roster and he only has 2025 listed Yes, should be 2025. My bad |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 7:09:19 GMT -8
Post by Slovan Stags GM on Mar 13, 2022 7:09:19 GMT -8
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 7:19:01 GMT -8
Post by steinkej4 on Mar 13, 2022 7:19:01 GMT -8
Well my thought process is we could just make two trades to make the same thing happen |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 7:36:43 GMT -8
Post by Brampton Thunder GM on Mar 13, 2022 7:36:43 GMT -8
Confused. Dont know if ive ever seen this
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:02:19 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:02:19 GMT -8
Well my thought process is we could just make two trades to make the same thing happen Yeah I could just trade Brodin to Madrid, then Madrid trades him back to me without the cap payment. |
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Post by retro on Mar 13, 2022 8:09:21 GMT -8
So it's basically trading Brodin to Halifax for nothing (future considerations) back to Madrid for a 2025 2nd, is that right?
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:13:34 GMT -8
Post by Slovan Stags GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:13:34 GMT -8
Well my thought process is we could just make two trades to make the same thing happen Yeah I could just trade Brodin to Madrid, then Madrid trades him back to me without the cap payment. “If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year.” puckpedia.com/salary-cap/retained-salary |
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Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:14:35 GMT -8
So it's basically trading Brodin to Halifax for nothing (future considerations) back to Madrid for a 2025 2nd, is that right? Yes but other way around, I have Brodin right now.
TRADE 1:
TO MAD Brodin
TO HAL Future Considerations
TRADE 2:
TO MAD Future Considerations
TO HAL Brodin 2nd
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:15:42 GMT -8
via mobile
Post by Dinamo Riga GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:15:42 GMT -8
Best I can tell, its not allowed irl
"A Club may not sell, assign, trade, transfer or otherwise hypothecate its Payroll Room (including, without limitation, by trading a Cap Advantage Recapture charge or obligations pursuant to a Retained Salary Transaction)"
This would be Madrid trading its obligations pursuant to a retained salary transaction.
That said, I don't really have a problem allowing this sort of thing.
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:17:40 GMT -8
Post by retro on Mar 13, 2022 8:17:40 GMT -8
So it's basically trading Brodin to Halifax for nothing (future considerations) back to Madrid for a 2025 2nd, is that right? Yes but other way around, I have Brodin right now.
TRADE 1:
TO MAD Brodin
TO HAL Future Considerations
TRADE 2:
TO MAD Future Considerations
TO HAL Brodin 2nd
Yeah that's what I mean't I am just an idiot who needs to learn how to type. |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:20:40 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:20:40 GMT -8
Yeah I could just trade Brodin to Madrid, then Madrid trades him back to me without the cap payment. “If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year.” puckpedia.com/salary-cap/retained-salaryOkay so he traded Brodin to Niagra around Dec 31st in the sim from what I can tell:
So that means this type of trade is allowed but not allowed until Dec 31st of the upcoming season?
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -8
Post by Sokolina Hussars GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -8
Yeah I don't see it being an issue if a year or more goes by from the initial transaction.
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 8:26:57 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 8:26:57 GMT -8
Okay so i guess the other question is: Is this trade allowed if its just to "no longer" pay the cap hit (without trading brodin back to Madrid)?
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 9:22:21 GMT -8
Post by Dinamo Riga GM on Mar 13, 2022 9:22:21 GMT -8
Okay so i guess the other question is: Is this trade allowed if its just to "no longer" pay the cap hit (without trading brodin back to Madrid)? As best I can tell, IRL, that retention would stay as a retention in that case. There not a whole hell of a lot about it in the CBA as far as I could find (yes I downloaded the actual CBA), but I know there has been talk about Toronto reaquiring Phil Kessel, and the word on the street is that if they did that they could only get the Yotes to cover half his post-rentention salary (rather than it going back to 8m and yotes being able to retain on that), and they wouldn't be able to get a third team involved because that would be the third retention on the contract. So long story short if Toronto reaquired Kessel the 1.2m retention on his contract would stay as a 1.2m retention, it wouldn't go away. |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 9:45:22 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 9:45:22 GMT -8
Okay so i guess the other question is: Is this trade allowed if its just to "no longer" pay the cap hit (without trading brodin back to Madrid)? As best I can tell, IRL, that retention would stay as a retention in that case. There not a whole hell of a lot about it in the CBA as far as I could find (yes I downloaded the actual CBA), but I know there has been talk about Toronto reaquiring Phil Kessel, and the word on the street is that if they did that they could only get the Yotes to cover half his post-rentention salary (rather than it going back to 8m and yotes being able to retain on that), and they wouldn't be able to get a third team involved because that would be the third retention on the contract. So long story short if Toronto reaquired Kessel the 1.2m retention on his contract would stay as a 1.2m retention, it wouldn't go away. Okay thanks for the explanation. So teams aren't able to mutually agree to get rid of the retention? Its basically permanent? |
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Post by Dinamo Riga GM on Mar 13, 2022 9:54:35 GMT -8
As best I can tell, IRL, that retention would stay as a retention in that case. There not a whole hell of a lot about it in the CBA as far as I could find (yes I downloaded the actual CBA), but I know there has been talk about Toronto reaquiring Phil Kessel, and the word on the street is that if they did that they could only get the Yotes to cover half his post-rentention salary (rather than it going back to 8m and yotes being able to retain on that), and they wouldn't be able to get a third team involved because that would be the third retention on the contract. So long story short if Toronto reaquired Kessel the 1.2m retention on his contract would stay as a 1.2m retention, it wouldn't go away. Okay thanks for the explanation. So teams aren't able to mutually agree to get rid of the retention? Its basically permanent? As best I can tell, yes. |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -8
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Post by Yasogami Bruins GM on Mar 13, 2022 13:31:22 GMT -8
As far as I know that is a no |
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 15:19:37 GMT -8
Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Mar 13, 2022 15:19:37 GMT -8
I guess this is rejected then
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HAL MAD
Mar 13, 2022 15:48:10 GMT -8
Post by steinkej4 on Mar 13, 2022 15:48:10 GMT -8
We're really not allowing this?
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Mar 13, 2022 17:23:03 GMT -8
It’s kind of a weird one. I’d prefer not to have deals like this. It opens up a lot of weird options. And since it isn’t allowed in CBA, gonna reject : /
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