HAL KOL

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

To
C Jean-Gabriel Pageau TWF 83 (32) 4.5M UFA 2026
C Nikita Alexandrov PLY 78 (25) 0.9M RFA 2027

to
Future Considerations (nothing)

Junkie Piece of Shit

accept, dump some cap 

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

I'm rejecting this, guys. Sorry... 🤷

If we're going to somehow allow this "future considerations" crap, then there was no real reason to reject the PIT-SFF Mrazek trade IMO.

[Macon Whoopee GM]

May 2, 2022 9:22:31 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

I'm rejecting this, guys. Sorry... 🤷

If we're going to somehow allow this "future considerations" crap, then there was no real reason to reject the PIT-SFF Mrazek trade IMO.

Hartford and I did a future 2nd as consolations. I’m with rejecting it too

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 9:27:56 GMT -8 Macon Whoopee GM said:

May 2, 2022 9:22:31 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

I'm rejecting this, guys. Sorry... 🤷

If we're going to somehow allow this "future considerations" crap, then there was no real reason to reject the PIT-SFF Mrazek trade IMO.

Hartford and I did a future 2nd as consolations. I’m with rejecting it too

That was different though, in the sense that a "future 2nd" is still a tangible thing that's being remitted at some point. 🤷 This isn't.

[jaygint]

Reject as well. Future considerations shouldn't be included unless specified what they are.

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

So you guys want me to add some random jobber instead of "future considerations"? Seems like a waste of time to me, like my Kelowna deal where he added Bastian who I just immediately waived afterwards?

3 Admins have accepted, so whats the rules on "future considerations"? Does it need to be something going back and can't be "nothing" Slovan Stags GM

Also I don't see how the SFF-PIT deal is similar to this at all, this is a pure cap dump (Pageau), I included Alexandrov so he would take the JGP contract.

[Yasogami Bruins GM]

May 2, 2022 9:22:31 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

I'm rejecting this, guys. Sorry... 🤷

If we're going to somehow allow this "future considerations" crap, then there was no real reason to reject the PIT-SFF Mrazek trade IMO.

How is this at all similar to the PIT-SFF trade?

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 9:36:48 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

So you guys want me to add some random jobber instead of "future considerations"? Seems like a waste of time to me, like my Kelowna deal where he added Bastian who I just immediately waived afterwards?

3 Admins have accepted, so whats the rules on "future considerations"? Does it need to be something going back and can't be "nothing" Slovan Stags GM

Also I don't see how the SFF-PIT deal is similar to this at all, this is a pure cap dump (Pageau), I included Alexandrov so he would take the JGP contract.

Brother, I don't give two shits and a popcorn fart who actually accepted this crap; Free is free. 🤷 You don't care about losing Pageau cuz you're losing cap, and Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup.

At least SFF was getting something he felt he needed/wanted for his pick, whether I agree with that decision, or not, is irrelevant, cuz he wasn't giving it away for free.

I'm just saying I'd be far more accepting of that deal than this one.

[Sokolina Hussars GM]

May 2, 2022 9:36:48 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

So you guys want me to add some random jobber instead of "future considerations"? Seems like a waste of time to me, like my Kelowna deal where he added Bastian who I just immediately waived afterwards?

3 Admins have accepted, so whats the rules on "future considerations"? Does it need to be something going back and can't be "nothing" Slovan Stags GM

Also I don't see how the SFF-PIT deal is similar to this at all, this is a pure cap dump (Pageau), I included Alexandrov so he would take the JGP contract.

IRL "Future Considerations" can count as anything, and actually isn't enforced by the NHL. Each team must exchange at least one asset in order for it to qualify as a trade. "Future Considerations" is technically an asset, regardless of what it entails, and makes the trade official. 

We saw a couple of these trades IRL this past season, one of them being a TD move where TOR sent Alex Biega to NSH in exchange for "Future Considerations". Turns out that "Future Consideration" was actually NSH sending Philippe Myers to play for the Toronto Marlies instead of continuing to play him in Milwaukee, allowing the Leafs to have an opportunity to look at his play closely and consider him for a move in the future. There was no real asset received on TOR end.

I have no problem with this as long as there is no large gap between value of the players sent and the value of cap saved for the GM making the dump.

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

May 2, 2022 9:59:03 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 9:36:48 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

So you guys want me to add some random jobber instead of "future considerations"? Seems like a waste of time to me, like my Kelowna deal where he added Bastian who I just immediately waived afterwards?

3 Admins have accepted, so whats the rules on "future considerations"? Does it need to be something going back and can't be "nothing" Slovan Stags GM

Also I don't see how the SFF-PIT deal is similar to this at all, this is a pure cap dump (Pageau), I included Alexandrov so he would take the JGP contract.

Brother, I don't give two shits and a popcorn fart who actually accepted this crap; Free is free. 🤷 You don't care about losing Pageau cuz you're losing cap, and Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup.

At least SFF was getting something he felt he needed/wanted for his pick, whether I agree with that decision, or not, is irrelevant, cuz he wasn't giving it away for free.

I'm just saying I'd be far more accepting of that deal than this one.

I mean I don't care either way, I can go and revise this so KOL adds some random jobber or expiring FA, i just think its a waste of time to include something coming back to me that I won't need anyway and will waive/buyout. Clearing 4.5M in cap space is the value I'm receiving on this deal. Nobody has inquired about JGP, and I doubt anyone will want him. If no one was gonna take him I was prepared to waive/buy him out, but doing this deal guarantees I don't have to pay a waiver/buyout fee.

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 10:03:37 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

May 2, 2022 9:36:48 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

So you guys want me to add some random jobber instead of "future considerations"? Seems like a waste of time to me, like my Kelowna deal where he added Bastian who I just immediately waived afterwards?

3 Admins have accepted, so whats the rules on "future considerations"? Does it need to be something going back and can't be "nothing" Slovan Stags GM

Also I don't see how the SFF-PIT deal is similar to this at all, this is a pure cap dump (Pageau), I included Alexandrov so he would take the JGP contract.

IRL "Future Considerations" can count as anything, and actually isn't enforced by the NHL. Each team must exchange at least one asset in order for it to qualify as a trade. "Future Considerations" is technically an asset, regardless of what it entails, and makes the trade official. 

We saw a couple of these trades IRL this past season, one of them being a TD move where TOR sent Alex Biega to NSH in exchange for "Future Considerations". Turns out that "Future Consideration" was actually NSH sending Philippe Myers to play for the Toronto Marlies instead of continuing to play him in Milwaukee, allowing the Leafs to have an opportunity to look at his play closely and consider him for a move in the future. There was no real asset received on TOR end.

I have no problem with this as long as there is no large gap between value of the players sent and the value of cap saved for the GM making the dump.

Sure, but none of that is relevant in a sim league with the structures we have. 🤷 Let's just give everyone free cap dumps through trades. 🤦🙄

[Sokolina Hussars GM]

May 2, 2022 10:10:03 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:03:37 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

IRL "Future Considerations" can count as anything, and actually isn't enforced by the NHL. Each team must exchange at least one asset in order for it to qualify as a trade. "Future Considerations" is technically an asset, regardless of what it entails, and makes the trade official. 

We saw a couple of these trades IRL this past season, one of them being a TD move where TOR sent Alex Biega to NSH in exchange for "Future Considerations". Turns out that "Future Consideration" was actually NSH sending Philippe Myers to play for the Toronto Marlies instead of continuing to play him in Milwaukee, allowing the Leafs to have an opportunity to look at his play closely and consider him for a move in the future. There was no real asset received on TOR end.

I have no problem with this as long as there is no large gap between value of the players sent and the value of cap saved for the GM making the dump.

Sure, but none of that is relevant in a sim league with the structures we have. 🤷 Let's just give everyone free cap dumps through trades. 🤦🙄

 I can see where your coming from for sure, yet this isn't free by any means. JPG doesnt carry much negative value considering he can slot into KOL bottom 6 and is expiring this upcoming season. Alexandrov isn't much, but he can be a solid call up and who knows maybe KOL has use for him. Regardless, don't think it should be rejected given the overall circumstances. 

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

Alexandrov is also German, so he gets to go home

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 10:06:14 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

May 2, 2022 9:59:03 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

Brother, I don't give two shits and a popcorn fart who actually accepted this crap; Free is free. 🤷 You don't care about losing Pageau cuz you're losing cap, and Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup.

At least SFF was getting something he felt he needed/wanted for his pick, whether I agree with that decision, or not, is irrelevant, cuz he wasn't giving it away for free.

I'm just saying I'd be far more accepting of that deal than this one.

I mean I don't care either way, I can go and revise this so KOL adds some random jobber or expiring FA, i just think its a waste of time to include something coming back to me that I won't need anyway and will waive/buyout. Clearing 4.5M in cap space is the value I'm receiving on this deal. Nobody has inquired about JGP, and I doubt anyone will want him. If no one was gonna take him I was prepared to waive/buy him out, but doing this deal guarantees I don't have to pay a waiver/buyout fee.

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be allowed. 🤷 I honestly don't care what the "value" is for you dude. I've been over cap before too, or trying to dump cap, and I couldn't find a deal to do it 95% of the time, cuz no one wanted what I was selling... But I still never expected anything for free either, nor have I ever given anything out for free. Deals like this are broken, and shouldn't even be considered.

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 10:13:10 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:10:03 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

Sure, but none of that is relevant in a sim league with the structures we have. 🤷 Let's just give everyone free cap dumps through trades. 🤦🙄

 I can see where your coming from for sure, yet this isn't free by any means. JPG doesnt carry much negative value considering he can slot into KOL bottom 6 and is expiring this upcoming season. Alexandrov isn't much, but he can be a solid call up and who knows maybe KOL has use for him. Regardless, don't think it should be rejected given the overall circumstances. 

Ah FFS.. 🤦 There's that stupid Joubie buzzword again... "Negative value". 🙄 I don'tgive a shit... Make a fucking trade and give something to actually evaluate. 🤷 How hard is that?

[Sokolina Hussars GM]

May 2, 2022 10:27:13 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:13:10 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

 I can see where your coming from for sure, yet this isn't free by any means. JPG doesnt carry much negative value considering he can slot into KOL bottom 6 and is expiring this upcoming season. Alexandrov isn't much, but he can be a solid call up and who knows maybe KOL has use for him. Regardless, don't think it should be rejected given the overall circumstances. 

Ah FFS.. 🤦 There's that stupid Joubie buzzword again... "Negative value". 🙄 I don'tgive a shit... Make a fucking trade and give something to actually evaluate. 🤷 How hard is that?

That has been done here and it has been evaluated, regardless of your stance. Final.

[Iceland Crazy Vikings GM]

May 2, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:27:13 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

Ah FFS.. 🤦 There's that stupid Joubie buzzword again... "Negative value". 🙄 I don'tgive a shit... Make a fucking trade and give something to actually evaluate. 🤷 How hard is that?

That has been done here and it has been evaluated, regardless of your stance. Final.

Sharky team still needs to accept

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:27:13 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

Ah FFS.. 🤦 There's that stupid Joubie buzzword again... "Negative value". 🙄 I don'tgive a shit... Make a fucking trade and give something to actually evaluate. 🤷 How hard is that?

That has been done here and it has been evaluated, regardless of your stance. Final.

And? 🤨 Just because it's been done, doesn't make it right either. 🤷 Plus, this trade has also had 3 rejections too.

I won't be a party to these freebie deals. I just won't.

1) It does the league a disservice by allowing it, when other trades are rejected when there are actually moving parts going both ways in the rejected deals.

2) In this case, Halifax doesn't care about losing either player, even though Lu elected to sign, or accept, JGP's contract in the first place. Now he can just trade 2 players to drop cap, whether he actually does need it or not, for nothing at all.

How does that seem right to anyone? 🤔🤷 Especially when most folks, that are actually struggling with cap space, have to deal with other folks that are wanting your top players/prospects +, just to get the deal done, yet this is perfectly acceptable? 🤨 How? Cuz I can almost guarantee you that if I put up a trade like this, it'd be rejected immediately... Do Not Pass Go; Do Not Collect $200.

3) With this deal, you're allowing one team to offload salary for absolutely zip, but in another deal, you won't allow a team to trade their 1st round pick for a back up, even though they're actually getting something in return.

Again, doesn't seem right to me. 🤷

[Macon Whoopee GM]

May 2, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

That has been done here and it has been evaluated, regardless of your stance. Final.

And? 🤨 Just because it's been done, doesn't make it right either. 🤷 Plus, this trade has also had 3 rejections too.

I won't be a party to these freebie deals. I just won't.

1) It does the league a disservice by allowing it, when other trades are rejected when there are actually moving parts going both ways in the rejected deals.

2) In this case, Halifax doesn't care about losing either player, even though Lu elected to sign, or accept, JGP's contract in the first place. Now he can just trade 2 players to drop cap, whether he actually does need it or not, for nothing at all.

How does that seem right to anyone? 🤔🤷 Especially when most folks, that are actually struggling with cap space, have to deal with other folks that are wanting your top players/prospects +, just to get the deal done, yet this is perfectly acceptable? 🤨 How? Cuz I can almost guarantee you that if I put up a trade like this, it'd be rejected immediately... Do Not Pass Go; Do Not Collect $200.

3) With this deal, you're allowing one team to offload salary for absolutely zip, but in another deal, you won't allow a team to trade their 1st round pick for a back up, even though they're actually getting something in return.

Again, doesn't seem right to me. 🤷

People in here are getting $200?

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 12:01:27 GMT -8 Macon Whoopee GM said:

May 2, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

And? 🤨 Just because it's been done, doesn't make it right either. 🤷 Plus, this trade has also had 3 rejections too.

I won't be a party to these freebie deals. I just won't.

1) It does the league a disservice by allowing it, when other trades are rejected when there are actually moving parts going both ways in the rejected deals.

2) In this case, Halifax doesn't care about losing either player, even though Lu elected to sign, or accept, JGP's contract in the first place. Now he can just trade 2 players to drop cap, whether he actually does need it or not, for nothing at all.

How does that seem right to anyone? 🤔🤷 Especially when most folks, that are actually struggling with cap space, have to deal with other folks that are wanting your top players/prospects +, just to get the deal done, yet this is perfectly acceptable? 🤨 How? Cuz I can almost guarantee you that if I put up a trade like this, it'd be rejected immediately... Do Not Pass Go; Do Not Collect $200.

3) With this deal, you're allowing one team to offload salary for absolutely zip, but in another deal, you won't allow a team to trade their 1st round pick for a back up, even though they're actually getting something in return.

Again, doesn't seem right to me. 🤷

People in here are getting $200?

You've obviously never played Monopoly. 🤦😂😂

[Macon Whoopee GM]

May 2, 2022 12:06:05 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 12:01:27 GMT -8 Macon Whoopee GM said:

People in here are getting $200?

You've obviously never played Monopoly. 🤦😂😂

What's that?  Is it like backgammon? 

[Traktor Chelyabinsk GM]

May 2, 2022 12:07:43 GMT -8 Macon Whoopee GM said:

May 2, 2022 12:06:05 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

You've obviously never played Monopoly. 🤦😂😂

What's that?  Is it like backgammon? 

no its like Candyland with money 

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 12:08:43 GMT -8 Traktor Chelyabinsk GM said:

May 2, 2022 12:07:43 GMT -8 Macon Whoopee GM said:

What's that?  Is it like backgammon? 

no its like Candyland with money 

😂😂 No, not like Candyland... 🤦 ...kids. 🙄

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

May 2, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 10:30:15 GMT -8 Sokolina Hussars GM said:

That has been done here and it has been evaluated, regardless of your stance. Final.

And? 🤨 Just because it's been done, doesn't make it right either. 🤷 Plus, this trade has also had 3 rejections too.

I won't be a party to these freebie deals. I just won't.

1) It does the league a disservice by allowing it, when other trades are rejected when there are actually moving parts going both ways in the rejected deals.

2) In this case, Halifax doesn't care about losing either player, even though Lu elected to sign, or accept, JGP's contract in the first place. Now he can just trade 2 players to drop cap, whether he actually does need it or not, for nothing at all.

How does that seem right to anyone? 🤔🤷 Especially when most folks, that are actually struggling with cap space, have to deal with other folks that are wanting your top players/prospects +, just to get the deal done, yet this is perfectly acceptable? 🤨 How? Cuz I can almost guarantee you that if I put up a trade like this, it'd be rejected immediately... Do Not Pass Go; Do Not Collect $200.

3) With this deal, you're allowing one team to offload salary for absolutely zip, but in another deal, you won't allow a team to trade their 1st round pick for a back up, even though they're actually getting something in return.

Again, doesn't seem right to me. 🤷

Get gud at trading bruh 🤷

KOL has 20M in cap space, if you aren't able to move your players in cap dumps because other GM's won't accept it, well that's not really my problem and shouldn't affect the trades you are reviewing. You are basically saying "I wouldn't be able to get this deal done so therefore no one else should". Same thing with my Dillon trade, I offered that deal to many GM's until I finally found someone willing to do it (Kelowna).

Are you saying Cap dump trades should not be allowed? Again if KOL added in a jobber like C Alex Barre-Boulet PLY 76 (28) .925M UFA 2025 would that make you "feel" better? JGP has only 1 year left on his deal, KOL can flip him at the deadline with salary retained or keep him in his bottom 6. JGP is overpaid by maybe 1 to 1.5M only, he's still a solid bottom 6 guy.

How is this offloading JGP for nothing? I had to give him Alexandrov. You even said "Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup." So you admit that he gets value back in the deal??? But now you say I'm offloading salary for nothing? Which is it? Am I offloading JGP for nothing or is KOL getting value back for taking cap?

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 12:30:18 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

May 2, 2022 11:55:33 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

And? 🤨 Just because it's been done, doesn't make it right either. 🤷 Plus, this trade has also had 3 rejections too.

I won't be a party to these freebie deals. I just won't.

1) It does the league a disservice by allowing it, when other trades are rejected when there are actually moving parts going both ways in the rejected deals.

2) In this case, Halifax doesn't care about losing either player, even though Lu elected to sign, or accept, JGP's contract in the first place. Now he can just trade 2 players to drop cap, whether he actually does need it or not, for nothing at all.

How does that seem right to anyone? 🤔🤷 Especially when most folks, that are actually struggling with cap space, have to deal with other folks that are wanting your top players/prospects +, just to get the deal done, yet this is perfectly acceptable? 🤨 How? Cuz I can almost guarantee you that if I put up a trade like this, it'd be rejected immediately... Do Not Pass Go; Do Not Collect $200.

3) With this deal, you're allowing one team to offload salary for absolutely zip, but in another deal, you won't allow a team to trade their 1st round pick for a back up, even though they're actually getting something in return.

Again, doesn't seem right to me. 🤷

Get gud at trading bruh 🤷

KOL has 20M in cap space, if you aren't able to move your players in cap dumps because other GM's won't accept it, well that's not really my problem and shouldn't affect the trades you are reviewing. You are basically saying "I wouldn't be able to get this deal done so therefore no one else should". Same thing with my Dillon trade, I offered that deal to many GM's until I finally found someone willing to do it (Kelowna).

Are you saying Cap dump trades should not be allowed? Again if KOL added in a jobber like C Alex Barre-Boulet PLY 76 (28) .925M UFA 2025 would that make you "feel" better? JGP has only 1 year left on his deal, KOL can flip him at the deadline with salary retained or keep him in his bottom 6. JGP is overpaid by maybe 1 to 1.5M only, he's still a solid bottom 6 guy.

How is this offloading JGP for nothing? I had to give him Alexandrov. You even said "Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup." So you admit that he gets value back in the deal??? But now you say I'm offloading salary for nothing? Which is it? Am I offloading JGP for nothing or is KOL getting value back for taking cap?

Oh puh-lease... 🙄 I get my own shit done, and I don't pawn it off on someone else for NOTHING either. So, take your "Get gud at trading bruh 🤷", shine it up real nice, and stick it up your candy ass! Savvy?! Also.. learn to spell too "bruh". This isn't a Gary Larsen/Farside cartoon. 🤦

But to answer your question, it's both. 🤷 Neither of you are getting good "value", or the right "value", either way. Yet we're still going to be fucking sticklers on another trade cuz it involves a 1st round pick, even though the person trading the pick is actually getting something?! 🤔🤨

It's called a double standard "bruh". Open your eyes or get some glasses FSS.🤓 🤷lol

[jaygint]

So, real question here. Do we allow trading something for nothing in this league?

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 13:04:04 GMT -8 jaygint said:

So, real question here. Do we allow trading something for nothing in this league?

Pretty much... 🤷 But since the PIT-SFF deal was rejected cuz it was deemed to be SFF trading his 1st for "nothing", I really don't see how this is any different TBH.

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

May 2, 2022 12:55:55 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 12:30:18 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

Get gud at trading bruh 🤷

KOL has 20M in cap space, if you aren't able to move your players in cap dumps because other GM's won't accept it, well that's not really my problem and shouldn't affect the trades you are reviewing. You are basically saying "I wouldn't be able to get this deal done so therefore no one else should". Same thing with my Dillon trade, I offered that deal to many GM's until I finally found someone willing to do it (Kelowna).

Are you saying Cap dump trades should not be allowed? Again if KOL added in a jobber like C Alex Barre-Boulet PLY 76 (28) .925M UFA 2025 would that make you "feel" better? JGP has only 1 year left on his deal, KOL can flip him at the deadline with salary retained or keep him in his bottom 6. JGP is overpaid by maybe 1 to 1.5M only, he's still a solid bottom 6 guy.

How is this offloading JGP for nothing? I had to give him Alexandrov. You even said "Kölner doesn't care cuz he gets a free 83 + a relative young'un that's playable and can advance, if he's played in the lineup." So you admit that he gets value back in the deal??? But now you say I'm offloading salary for nothing? Which is it? Am I offloading JGP for nothing or is KOL getting value back for taking cap?

Oh puh-lease... 🙄 I get my own shit done, and I don't pawn it off on someone else for NOTHING either. So, take your "Get gud at trading bruh 🤷", shine it up real nice, and stick it up your candy ass! Savvy?! Also.. learn to spell too "bruh". This isn't a Gary Larsen/Farside cartoon. 🤦

But to answer your question, it's both. 🤷 Neither of you are getting good "value", or the right "value", either way. Yet we're still going to be fucking sticklers on another trade cuz it involves a 1st round pick, even though the person trading the pick is actually getting something?! 🤔🤨

It's called a double standard "bruh". Open your eyes or get some glasses FSS.🤓 🤷lol

Do you understand that GM's value players differently, BRUH??? Do you know how many offers I made to try and trade Andersen and Dillon the past season to shed cap space until I finally found some GMs that accepted how I valued it? I sent offers to every GM that had cap space/rebuilding. Are you saying Cap dumps shouldn't be allowed?? Teams with Cap space can use that cap space to their advantage. If you can't convince anyone to take on your bad contracts, thats not my problem. Go and send more offers out.

San Fran literally posted in that trade thread yesterday saying he was thankful the trade didnt go through?? Lmao I wasn't here when that trade went down, but it looks like the GMs that rejected it were trying to protect SFF from making a dumb move. This trade doesn't seem the same to me. They rejected the trade not because Mrzek is "nothing" but because its a bad idea to move your 1st round pick for a 30 year old backup and SFF would have regretted it

So in your eyes, both me and KOL are losing this trade? LOL Again, he can flip JGP with salary retained. Looks like the only reasons that NIA and TSE rejected was because they want KOL to give something in return other than "Future Considerations (nothing)".

I still don't understand your problem with this trade, your logic is inconsistent

[Burnaby Billionaires GM]

May 2, 2022 13:08:59 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

May 2, 2022 13:04:04 GMT -8 jaygint said:

So, real question here. Do we allow trading something for nothing in this league?

Pretty much... 🤷 But since the PIT-SFF deal was rejected cuz it was deemed to be SFF trading his 1st for "nothing", I really don't see how this is any different TBH.

So you're saying JGP + Alexandrov is the same as a 1st round pick???

[Seattle Spitfires GM]

May 2, 2022 13:13:13 GMT -8 Burnaby Billionaires GM said:

May 2, 2022 12:55:55 GMT -8 Seattle Spitfires GM said:

Oh puh-lease... 🙄 I get my own shit done, and I don't pawn it off on someone else for NOTHING either. So, take your "Get gud at trading bruh 🤷", shine it up real nice, and stick it up your candy ass! Savvy?! Also.. learn to spell too "bruh". This isn't a Gary Larsen/Farside cartoon. 🤦

But to answer your question, it's both. 🤷 Neither of you are getting good "value", or the right "value", either way. Yet we're still going to be fucking sticklers on another trade cuz it involves a 1st round pick, even though the person trading the pick is actually getting something?! 🤔🤨

It's called a double standard "bruh". Open your eyes or get some glasses FSS.🤓 🤷lol

Do you understand that GM's value players differently, BRUH??? Do you know how many offers I made to try and trade Andersen and Dillon the past season to shed cap space until I finally found some GMs that accepted how I valued it? I sent offers to every GM that had cap space/rebuilding. Are you saying Cap dumps shouldn't be allowed?? Teams with Cap space can use that cap space to their advantage. If you can't convince anyone to take on your bad contracts, thats not my problem. Go and send more offers out.

San Fran literally posted in that trade thread yesterday saying he was thankful the trade didnt go through?? Lmao I wasn't here when that trade went down, but it looks like the GMs that rejected it were trying to protect SFF from making a dumb move. This trade doesn't seem the same to me. They rejected the trade not because Mrzek is "nothing" but because its a bad idea to move your 1st round pick for a 30 year old backup and SFF would have regretted it

So in your eyes, both me and KOL are losing this trade? LOL Again, he can flip JGP with salary retained. Looks like the only reasons that NIA and TSE rejected was because they want KOL to give something in return other than "Future Considerations (nothing)".

I still don't understand your problem with this trade, your logic is inconsistent

No, your simply placing your own evaluation on my comments instead of taking it at face value AND your own logic is just as inconsistent by virtue of your own comment "GM's value players differently".. 🤷 Plus, of course you "don't understand" any problem with this trade, cuz it's your trade. 🤦😂😂

This trade is as equally as dumb of move, only cuz it's the same virtual principle of trading something for nothing. Period. I don't care how much cap you're dropping, or what sort of value you place on it... That's irrelevant. It diminishes the value of the players involved and trading in general, quite frankly. 🤷 I use the PIT-SFF trade as an example because it was rejected and it was deemed to be a "something for nothing" deal as well, even though it was actually something for something.