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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 20, 2022 9:56:47 GMT -8
Reboot Info / Discussion PLEASE READ EVERYTHING!!  So, just gonna get this out there now I guess. Seems like there’s an appetite to start having this discussion. This ERA is almost at an end as all of you should know by now. S7 will cap it, and we’ll have an End of Era thread. So let’s talk about what worked for you and what didn’t. That way we can hit ground running once this ends. We tried a bunch of new stuff, I think for the most part it worked as intended. Some stuff maybe not quite where we want it to be Let’s get a couple known changes that are coming out of the way - 90+ OAs will need to perform 2 ratings less than their current OA to receive a downgrade - Top 10 in Gs, A, PTs will be given benefit of doubt on downgrades - Downgrades moved to age 28 - RFAs MANDATORY 10% raise - Draft Entry Levels switched to .925/.875M - GM of the Year Award - NTC (will only waive at Trade Deadline/Offseason only to playoff team/anyone in offseason) PS5HL Record Book All Single Season Stat Records from the previous ERA will be posted. Example - Points - 97 Matthews S6 MAD Blocks - 124 Dermott / Doughty S6/S1 VIC / TAL Wins - 40 Hart S6 DRG Any player breaking ANY single season record will be given an additional +1 and a trait. This will become the new record to beat *This will include WJC Season records as well —————————————————————— This last one is being talked about and considered. May be scrapped all together. But let’s see what everyone thinks. I think could add something fun, but don’t want people to be overwhelmed. Remember, this would optional if included Franchise Status (optional) Teams would be given the option to claim a “status” Rebuild Status ( only x (5-6?) amount of teams can be in rebuild status. These things would happen EACH season you’re in this status) - Up to 3 APU / 3 MPU (these are unlocked by competing tasks. 1 MPU/APU per task, max 3) - Internal Cap X % (20%) less than League Cap - Random Player over 25 will request a trade (PR Wheel of Fate) Earned MPU/APU will be given the upcoming offseason depending on what’s been achieved. - Minimum/Maximum 2 year commitment to Rebuild Status (Tasks would include things like -Have a rookie in top 4 in Rookie Points -Sign a WJC FA -GM a WJC team -Win a Lotto Etc. With the ability to earn up to 3) Alternatively, Contender Status (can only be requested if you made playoffs previous season) - 1 Hometown discount on contract re-signing (unlocked by winning division reg season) x % off (10%?) - 1 FA discount (unlocked by winning Conf reg season) x % off (15%?) - Bigger Hometown discount (unlocked by making Cup Final) x % off (20%?) - Maximum commitment to Contender Status 2 years. Min. 1 year IF YOU ARE IN CONTENDER STATUS AND YOU DONT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS - 1 Random Player will request a Trade following offseason - If player isn’t traded by the Roster Check for upcoming Season Start, he will receive - RNG (-2-3) - This will revert once the player is traded, at the start of the following season Must wait 2 seasons in between re-claiming a status. But may go from Rebuild to Contender without waiting, or Contender to Rebuild without waiting. If you fall within the bubble of not being either one, do something different. No one has to claim anything. This is just another tool available to you. Having trouble getting over the hump? Request Rebuild Status and get a little help. Think you have such a desirable locale that guys would take a discount to play? Put your money where your mouth is and claim contender status. Ok, that should cover everything being changed or considered. If I missed something you think needs addressing, mention it here please. Doesn’t mean it WILL get changed, but let’s at least talk about. A lot of stuff has already been considered so it’s possible it was talked about already. And again, let’s be constructive! If you absolutely hate something above, don’t freak out. Nothing really set in stone yet. Hopefully most of you had some fun this year. This next run gonna be even better |
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Post by Junkie Piece of Shit on Aug 20, 2022 10:16:20 GMT -8
sounds awesome here we come Munich Konigs
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Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Aug 20, 2022 11:17:55 GMT -8
Is the upgrade age going to be raised as well? I found it tough for players 28 and over, cuz if they had one bad season they could never go back up during this era. Something like 28-32 they are upgrade and downgrade eligible would be better imo
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 20, 2022 12:47:14 GMT -8
Is the upgrade age going to be raised as well? I found it tough for players 28 and over, cuz if they had one bad season they could never go back up during this era. Something like 28-32 they are upgrade and downgrade eligible would be better imo That could be do-able. I think I’d be more of fan of 30 as the cutoff than 32 though |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 24, 2022 7:50:40 GMT -8
If any of you guys already know what logo, or team you’re gonna use. Go ahead and hit me up in PMs, or on Discord and I can start getting those ready
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Post by Macon Whoopee GM on Aug 24, 2022 8:49:27 GMT -8
If any of you guys already know what logo, or team you’re gonna use. Go ahead and hit me up in PMs, or on Discord and I can start getting those ready I have made a deal with the city of Niagara Falls for the Sundowners to stay and represent the city in the new era. |
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Post by Iasi Scorpions GM on Aug 24, 2022 9:17:19 GMT -8
If any of you guys already know what logo, or team you’re gonna use. Go ahead and hit me up in PMs, or on Discord and I can start getting those ready I have been and always will be Sarnia Storm |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 24, 2022 21:28:07 GMT -8
If any of you guys already know what logo, or team you’re gonna use. Go ahead and hit me up in PMs, or on Discord and I can start getting those ready I'm sticking with what I've got on that. Also not to sure what that contender team portion is exactly. Also don't know what RNG means either. lol Thanks. |
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Post by Traktor Chelyabinsk GM on Aug 25, 2022 6:16:38 GMT -8
If any of you guys already know what logo, or team you’re gonna use. Go ahead and hit me up in PMs, or on Discord and I can start getting those ready I'm sticking with what I've got on that. Also not to sure what that contender team portion is exactly. Also don't know what RNG means either. lol Thanks. RNG means Random Number Generator |
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Post by Macon Whoopee GM on Aug 25, 2022 6:28:44 GMT -8
I'm sticking with what I've got on that. Also not to sure what that contender team portion is exactly. Also don't know what RNG means either. lol Thanks. RNG means Random Number Generator I may be showing my age, but I thought RNG stood for "really nice garden"...... |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Aug 25, 2022 6:43:21 GMT -8
RNG means Random Number Generator I may be showing my age, but I thought RNG stood for "really nice garden"...... I thought it stood for "recycling nonsense garbage" |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 25, 2022 13:36:46 GMT -8
Is the upgrade age going to be raised as well? I found it tough for players 28 and over, cuz if they had one bad season they could never go back up during this era. Something like 28-32 they are upgrade and downgrade eligible would be better imo That could be do-able. I think I’d be more of fan of 30 as the cutoff than 32 though 32 is still within prime age right now though. I know most of you young'uns don't want to admit that, but it is a fact. 🤷 These players are performance athletes, not Joe Schmoe from the bar down the street, and smoking cigarettes on the bench like Lafleur did. lol You kids sit there and talk this huge game about how it's "a young man's game now", but the reality is that we're getting into, or are already into, an age where these players have been conditioning themselves, from about 4 or 5 yrs old, to be at their peak abilities with nutrition, supplements, exercise, lifestyle, etc., throughout their lives; right from the top superstars to the journeymen, to the all out grinders. They're not just all going to crater at 28 yrs old, or 30... or 32, for that matter, just cuz you THINK they're "old". Granted, we still don't see a lot of guys like Gordie, Jagr, Chara, Roloson, etc. playing into their 40s, or 50s in Gordie's case, but, barring any significant injuries, they don't just automatically turn to shit at 28 yrs old either. I really don't see why 32 is such a massive for most of you guys, when the "technology", as some of you put it, is vastly superior to previous generations, and has caught up to what's going on in the game right now. 🤷 So, really, why wouldn't it give most players some semblance of longevity in their careers, instead of saying... "Nope. You start becoming useless at age 28.", which is absolutely ridiculous IMO. |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 25, 2022 14:01:58 GMT -8
That could be do-able. I think I’d be more of fan of 30 as the cutoff than 32 though 32 is still within prime age right now though. I know most of you young'uns don't want to admit that, but it is a fact. 🤷 These players are performance athletes, not Joe Schmoe from the bar down the street, and smoking cigarettes on the bench like Lafleur did. lol You kids sit there and talk this huge game about how it's "a young man's game now", but the reality is that we're getting into, or are already into, an age where these players have been conditioning themselves, from about 4 or 5 yrs old, to be at their peak abilities with nutrition, supplements, exercise, lifestyle, etc., throughout their lives; right from the top superstars to the journeymen, to the all out grinders. They're not just all going to crater at 28 yrs old, or 30... or 32, for that matter, just cuz you THINK they're "old". Granted, we still don't see a lot of guys like Gordie, Jagr, Chara, Roloson, etc. playing into their 40s, or 50s in Gordie's case, but, barring any significant injuries, they don't just automatically turn to shit at 28 yrs old either. I really don't see why 32 is such a massive for most of you guys, when the "technology", as some of you put it, is vastly superior to previous generations, and has caught up to what's going on in the game right now. 🤷 So, really, why wouldn't it give most players some semblance of longevity in their careers, instead of saying... "Nope. You start becoming useless at age 28.", which is absolutely ridiculous IMO. I get what you’re saying. But you guys are acting like it’s an auto downgrade or something. AUTOs still don’t kick in until 34. Some who is hot about this get me a list of current players 34+ playing NHL What we’re talking about is UPGRADES. How many players 30+ get BETTER at that point? Give me examples please |
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Post by Burnaby Billionaires GM on Aug 26, 2022 0:05:28 GMT -8
32 is still within prime age right now though. I know most of you young'uns don't want to admit that, but it is a fact. 🤷 These players are performance athletes, not Joe Schmoe from the bar down the street, and smoking cigarettes on the bench like Lafleur did. lol You kids sit there and talk this huge game about how it's "a young man's game now", but the reality is that we're getting into, or are already into, an age where these players have been conditioning themselves, from about 4 or 5 yrs old, to be at their peak abilities with nutrition, supplements, exercise, lifestyle, etc., throughout their lives; right from the top superstars to the journeymen, to the all out grinders. They're not just all going to crater at 28 yrs old, or 30... or 32, for that matter, just cuz you THINK they're "old". Granted, we still don't see a lot of guys like Gordie, Jagr, Chara, Roloson, etc. playing into their 40s, or 50s in Gordie's case, but, barring any significant injuries, they don't just automatically turn to shit at 28 yrs old either. I really don't see why 32 is such a massive for most of you guys, when the "technology", as some of you put it, is vastly superior to previous generations, and has caught up to what's going on in the game right now. 🤷 So, really, why wouldn't it give most players some semblance of longevity in their careers, instead of saying... "Nope. You start becoming useless at age 28.", which is absolutely ridiculous IMO. I get what you’re saying. But you guys are acting like it’s an auto downgrade or something. AUTOs still don’t kick in until 34. Some who is hot about this get me a list of current players 34+ playing NHL What we’re talking about is UPGRADES. How many players 30+ get BETTER at that point? Give me examples please
I kind of agree with what Kruze is saying here about real life, I guess one example would be Kadri this past season. Alex Ovechkin also had 33G/36A/69(nice)PTS in 82GP when he was 30, but rebounded and had 49G, 51G, 48G the next 3 seasons. Joe Pavelski's first season in Dallas (age 35) he had 14G/17A/31PTS in 67GP. Then the next 2 seasons he had 51PTS in 56GP and 81PTS in 82GP. So there have been times where a player looks like they're trending downwards but then rebounds even when they are 30+.
But in terms of sim leagues, my issue with capping upgrades at age 30, is I think it severely degrades the value of 30+ players. Once a player is eligible for only downgrades, then if they have 1 bad season they are basically done. I'd like to see an opportunity for those players to rebound. For example if I had an 86 PLY Jonathan Drouin, age 29, 6M with 4 years remaining, but if he has a bad year, lets say -2, now hes an 84 overall making 6M, age 30 with 3 years remaining with no shot at ever rebounding. He's now a negative value player and I'm probably going to try and move him in a cap dump or buy him out because he's now capped at 84 overall for the rest of his career. But if the upgrade age was like 32-34, then I may actually keep him and see if he rebounds the following year, and maybe goes back up to 86 overall. Or he would still have more value because there a possibility of him upgrading back up to 86, and maybe some other team wants to take a shot at him. I think it would also help Free Agency, as most players to hit FA are gonna be around 28+. If a player cant upgrade past 30, then why would I want to risk a long term contract with them? But if they still could upgrade, then I think GM's would be more willing to send in bigger and longer term offers in FA for some of those middle 6 forwards/dmen, driving up the market for them. You might see less 83-85 overalls leftover at the end of FA. I think pushing the upgrades to even 34, just gives more "flexibility" to the player. A 32 year could have a career year, which I think warrants an upgrade. Or a 30 year old could have a terrible season, but rebound and get back to where they were. We've seen that season to season can vary wildly in these past seasons at PS5 and HLS, a player could put up career high numbers one season, then the very next season have a terrible season (and likely they higher overall than the previous season too). Like Oettinger last season at 90 overall had a sub 0.900 sv% i think, then this season at 88 overall he was led the league in sv%. The sim is random at times and doesn't really make sense (which is like real life tbh), but I think increasing the upgrade age balances it out more.
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 7:44:22 GMT -8
32 is still within prime age right now though. I know most of you young'uns don't want to admit that, but it is a fact. 🤷 These players are performance athletes, not Joe Schmoe from the bar down the street, and smoking cigarettes on the bench like Lafleur did. lol You kids sit there and talk this huge game about how it's "a young man's game now", but the reality is that we're getting into, or are already into, an age where these players have been conditioning themselves, from about 4 or 5 yrs old, to be at their peak abilities with nutrition, supplements, exercise, lifestyle, etc., throughout their lives; right from the top superstars to the journeymen, to the all out grinders. They're not just all going to crater at 28 yrs old, or 30... or 32, for that matter, just cuz you THINK they're "old". Granted, we still don't see a lot of guys like Gordie, Jagr, Chara, Roloson, etc. playing into their 40s, or 50s in Gordie's case, but, barring any significant injuries, they don't just automatically turn to shit at 28 yrs old either. I really don't see why 32 is such a massive for most of you guys, when the "technology", as some of you put it, is vastly superior to previous generations, and has caught up to what's going on in the game right now. 🤷 So, really, why wouldn't it give most players some semblance of longevity in their careers, instead of saying... "Nope. You start becoming useless at age 28.", which is absolutely ridiculous IMO. I get what you’re saying. But you guys are acting like it’s an auto downgrade or something. AUTOs still don’t kick in until 34. Some who is hot about this get me a list of current players 34+ playing NHL What we’re talking about is UPGRADES. How many players 30+ get BETTER at that point? Give me examples please Lu pretty much covered it above and mentioned the examples I was going to, but there are actually plenty of them, or just simply guys that just stay pretty much totally consistent throughout their entire careers, unless it's a shortened season due to injuries, or what have you. Like Ryan Smyth, who consistently put up 40+pt seasons for unless he was injured, and only showed any signs of actually slowing down in his last 2 seasons with the Oilers, when he was 36 & 37. Age 32 w/ Colorado: 77gp, 59pts & 26 goals; Age 33 w/LA: 67gp, 53pts & 22 goals; Age 35 w/ Edmonton: 82gp, 46pts & 19 goals. Yes, there's a very slight "regression" in terms of production, but not these vast drop offs that our current system can, and does, allow for cuz of this myth that anyone over a certain age, whether it's 26, 28, 30 or 32, just automatically suck, and that's never been the case, ever. |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Aug 26, 2022 7:55:28 GMT -8
From the age 32 until he retired (outside of a very minor resurgence in his final season) he regressed in point totals. A player going from an 87 to an 86 will cause that same effect. It won’t be a huge regression but slowly they’ll downgrade as most players generally would in the NHL.
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 7:59:54 GMT -8
Guys, I get what you all saying, but at the same time there really aren’t that many examples of guys actually improving at that point.
AUTO downgrades don’t go into effect until 34. So this idea that 28 year olds are automatically getting hit just isn’t true. It’s performance based. So yes, I’d go out an get a guy at 30 years old and he sucks, he’s gonna get hit. We’re pretty generous on upgrades, with that MUST come a balance. I get way more hits about saturation than downgrades.
Now having said all that, I’m fine with moving upgrade eligibility up to 30, and not start downgrade eligibility until 28. But look at a guy like Kubalik, blew it up rookie season with 30 goals, regressed pretty hard on that front. CHI seems to think that’s the real Kubalik. In our current system, irl he’d eligible for a downgrade this next 2022-23 season. And I think that would be warranted. Do you guys really want to see more of those guys staying up higher, diminishing the value of actual guys that perform? I’m not so sure. And there are just many examples of that happening. There are thjngs in place to keep the guys should be high, relevant I think
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:10:39 GMT -8
From the age 32 until he retired (outside of a very minor resurgence in his final season) he regressed in point totals. A player going from an 87 to an 86 will cause that same effect. It won’t be a huge regression but slowly they’ll downgrade as most players generally would in the NHL. Are you talking about Smytty? Cuz any regression was completely marginal, if at all until he was 36, and played only 47 games, which was the Ralph Krueger year where he did have an injury, but Krueger was largely playing him in a checking role in the bottom 6 & the PP cuz he was pushing the young kids. The only reason he had a bit of a resurgence in his final year was cuz Krueger wasn't there anymore, it was Eakins... and Dally actually played him on the 2nd line, where he should've been playing all along anyways. It was abundantly rare that he was ever below 20 goals per season from '96 on, unless his season was cut short. |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:14:49 GMT -8
From the age 32 until he retired (outside of a very minor resurgence in his final season) he regressed in point totals. A player going from an 87 to an 86 will cause that same effect. It won’t be a huge regression but slowly they’ll downgrade as most players generally would in the NHL. Are you talking about Smytty? Cuz any regression was completely marginal, if at all until he was 36, and played only 47 games, which was the Ralph Krueger year where he did have an injury, but Krueger was largely playing him in a checking role in the bottom 6 & the PP cuz he was pushing the young kids. The only reason he had a bit of a resurgence in his final year was cuz Krueger wasn't there anymore, it was Eakins... and Dally actually played him on the 2nd line, where he should've been playing all along anyways. It was abundantly rare that he was ever below 20 goals per season from '96 on, unless his season was cut short. As a Kings fan, I call BS. I know you Smitty superfan and all. But he was definitely downgrading before 36 lol |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:21:06 GMT -8
Guys, I get what you all saying, but at the same time there really aren’t that many examples of guys actually improving at that point. AUTO downgrades don’t go into effect until 34. So this idea that 28 year olds are automatically getting hit just isn’t true. It’s performance based. So yes, I’d go out an get a guy at 30 years old and he sucks, he’s gonna get hit. We’re pretty generous on upgrades, with that MUST come a balance. I get way more hits about saturation than downgrades. Now having said all that, I’m fine with moving upgrade eligibility up to 30, and not start downgrade eligibility until 28. But look at a guy like Kubalik, blew it up rookie season with 30 goals, regressed pretty hard on that front. CHI seems to think that’s the real Kubalik. In our current system, irl he’d eligible for a downgrade this next 2022-23 season. And I think that would be warranted. Do you guys really want to see more of those guys staying up higher, diminishing the value of actual guys that perform? I’m not so sure. And there are just many examples of that happening. There are thjngs in place to keep the guys should be high, relevant I think If they're your own players, you're damn right folks would want them to stay higher for longer, especially when we can't trade them cuz, 9 times out of 10, they're "too old". What about diminishing their value more than it should? 🤷 You don't seem to care about that. All you seem to care about is keeping younger player's values through the roof, and higher than they should be, then fuck the older guys cuz they allegedly suck after 28, which is 100% wrong. |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:30:13 GMT -8
Are you talking about Smytty? Cuz any regression was completely marginal, if at all until he was 36, and played only 47 games, which was the Ralph Krueger year where he did have an injury, but Krueger was largely playing him in a checking role in the bottom 6 & the PP cuz he was pushing the young kids. The only reason he had a bit of a resurgence in his final year was cuz Krueger wasn't there anymore, it was Eakins... and Dally actually played him on the 2nd line, where he should've been playing all along anyways. It was abundantly rare that he was ever below 20 goals per season from '96 on, unless his season was cut short. As a Kings fan, I call BS. I know you Smitty superfan and all. But he was definitely downgrading before 36 lol He wasn't at all. If he was, he wouldn't have been slotted in on that top line with Kopy & Williams, or Kopy & Brown, all the time. Superfan or not, I watched the guy play his entire career, and one thing you could always count on with Smyth was his consistency. You don't have a majority of 40+point seasons in a full 20 odd year career, even towards the end, if you're regressing to the degree you're suggesting. |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:40:40 GMT -8
As a Kings fan, I call BS. I know you Smitty superfan and all. But he was definitely downgrading before 36 lol He wasn't at all. If he was, he wouldn't have been slotted in on that top line with Kopy & Williams, or Kopy & Brown, all the time. Superfan or not, I watched the guy play his entire career, and one thing you could always count on with Smyth was his consistency. You don't have a majority of 40+point seasons in a full 20 odd year career, even towards the end, if you're regressing to the degree you're suggesting. Dude, that Kings team didn’t have another option, and it had more to do with how money he was making. Playing shotgun on that line he should’ve been able to put up those points regardless. Did you actually pay attention at all this ERa? The guys that got hit, still performed just fine. Some of the oldest players were still the most productive. Stop getting obsessed with OAs and pay attention to how it actually effects their performance |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:42:15 GMT -8
Guys, I get what you all saying, but at the same time there really aren’t that many examples of guys actually improving at that point. AUTO downgrades don’t go into effect until 34. So this idea that 28 year olds are automatically getting hit just isn’t true. It’s performance based. So yes, I’d go out an get a guy at 30 years old and he sucks, he’s gonna get hit. We’re pretty generous on upgrades, with that MUST come a balance. I get way more hits about saturation than downgrades. Now having said all that, I’m fine with moving upgrade eligibility up to 30, and not start downgrade eligibility until 28. But look at a guy like Kubalik, blew it up rookie season with 30 goals, regressed pretty hard on that front. CHI seems to think that’s the real Kubalik. In our current system, irl he’d eligible for a downgrade this next 2022-23 season. And I think that would be warranted. Do you guys really want to see more of those guys staying up higher, diminishing the value of actual guys that perform? I’m not so sure. And there are just many examples of that happening. There are thjngs in place to keep the guys should be high, relevant I think If they're your own players, you're damn right folks would want them to stay higher for longer, especially when we can't trade them cuz, 9 times out of 10, they're "too old". What about diminishing their value more than it should? 🤷 You don't seem to care about that. All you seem to care about is keeping younger player's values through the roof, and higher than they should be, then fuck the older guys cuz they allegedly suck after 28, which is 100% wrong. The bold part kinda says it all though. You just looking at your performance and roster, and not the league as a whole |
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Post by Aachen der Adlers GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:43:22 GMT -8
Ie Ovi being an 86 at 42 years old lol
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:51:13 GMT -8
I know it can be frustrating, but for the league to work right, we have to have age related downgrades. You guys don’t want Crosby, and Ovechkin still leading the league 7 years in. It’s boring, and not realistic. With that, there will ones that are a bummer, but overall it really is what’s best. You don’t want a saturated league, or a league that’s too easy to keep all superstars up there. 88s and 86s common place on 3rd and 4th lines
You’re also not thinking about some of the effects of the new stuff. Some of those superstars will be staying higher longer. The PS5HL record book has no limits on age or OA. The MPU/APU for rebuild status won’t either. I don’t think the answer is messing with the age related stuff
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:51:14 GMT -8
He wasn't at all. If he was, he wouldn't have been slotted in on that top line with Kopy & Williams, or Kopy & Brown, all the time. Superfan or not, I watched the guy play his entire career, and one thing you could always count on with Smyth was his consistency. You don't have a majority of 40+point seasons in a full 20 odd year career, even towards the end, if you're regressing to the degree you're suggesting. Dude, that Kings team didn’t have another option, and it had more to do with how money he was making. Playing shotgun on that line he should’ve been able to put up those points regardless. Did you actually pay attention at all this ERa? The guys that got hit, still performed just fine. Some of the oldest players were still the most productive. Stop getting obsessed with OAs and pay attention to how it actually effects their performance There's always another option... The choice was to keep Smyth & Kopitar together and rotate the RWers after Brown's play dropped off until they found chemistry putting Williams up there instead. 🤷 The only time he really lost a bit of step at all when he was in LA, was about a 5-10 game stretch after he got concussed when he was run into the bench stansion turnbuckle with that hit. Otherwise, he was the exact same player he'd always been. |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 8:55:52 GMT -8
Dude, that Kings team didn’t have another option, and it had more to do with how money he was making. Playing shotgun on that line he should’ve been able to put up those points regardless. Did you actually pay attention at all this ERa? The guys that got hit, still performed just fine. Some of the oldest players were still the most productive. Stop getting obsessed with OAs and pay attention to how it actually effects their performance There's always another option... The choice was to keep Smyth & Kopitar together and rotate the RWers after Brown's play dropped off until they found chemistry putting Williams up there instead. 🤷 The only time he really lost a bit of step at all when he was in LA, was about a 5-10 game stretch after he got concussed when he was run into the bench stansion turnbuckle with that hit. Otherwise, he was the exact same player he'd always been. I completely disagree. And so did LAK. Also, that moment happened AGAINST the Kings when he was Colorado. Jack Johnson is the one who put him into it |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 9:04:26 GMT -8
If they're your own players, you're damn right folks would want them to stay higher for longer, especially when we can't trade them cuz, 9 times out of 10, they're "too old". What about diminishing their value more than it should? 🤷 You don't seem to care about that. All you seem to care about is keeping younger player's values through the roof, and higher than they should be, then fuck the older guys cuz they allegedly suck after 28, which is 100% wrong. The bold part kinda says it all though. You just looking at your performance and roster, and not the league as a whole Not at all... Key word there is "IF", which you conveniently left unbolded to try and make your point. 🙄 I get that you, and a majority of the younger GMs, want all the young pups to have center stage. Which is fine, to a point, but you're shafting the veterans royally to meet that end, especially since we don't have MPUs to help mitigate that when a guy gets screwed cuz of an uncharacteristically bad season, for whatever reason. Then you get into the trade difficulty to move any of those players cuz they're over 26-28, even if they're still 86+ overall. It's total BS. |
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Post by Seattle Spitfires GM on Aug 26, 2022 9:06:02 GMT -8
There's always another option... The choice was to keep Smyth & Kopitar together and rotate the RWers after Brown's play dropped off until they found chemistry putting Williams up there instead. 🤷 The only time he really lost a bit of step at all when he was in LA, was about a 5-10 game stretch after he got concussed when he was run into the bench stansion turnbuckle with that hit. Otherwise, he was the exact same player he'd always been. I completely disagree. And so did LAK. Also, that moment happened AGAINST the Kings when he was Colorado. Jack Johnson is the one who put him into it It happened again while he was with the Kings too, cuz he was wearing the white Kings jersey, but he was with the Kings. I watched the game. Both of them. lol And the King's did think so, they just couldn't afford his contract after bringing in Richards & Carter. They weren't going to pay him that much quid to be a 2nd liner, so they traded him back home to Edmonton, where he should never have left anyways. 🤷 |
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Post by Slovan Stags GM on Aug 26, 2022 9:24:02 GMT -8
I completely disagree. And so did LAK. Also, that moment happened AGAINST the Kings when he was Colorado. Jack Johnson is the one who put him into it It was in Colorado, cuz he was wearing the white Kings jersey, but he was with the Kings. I watched the game. And the King's did think so, they just couldn't afford his contract after bringing in Richards & Carter... So they traded him back home to Edmonton, where he should never have left anyways. 🤷 Youre absolutely crazy if you think THEY wanted Smyth still at 6M but just couldn’t afford him. Hell, EDM didn’t want him, just couldn’t bear the fan outrage over him going to CGY instead Im sorry you have trouble trading. But look at ALL the cup winners. All took old vets after downgrades and won. This isn’t the issue you think it is And my point was, you’re looking from the perspective of YOUR players. Which you are. And YOUR experience only. Most people didn’t have an issue with this. You reference stuff, but again look at ALL the league leaders from every season. It’s not just young guys. You’re just wrong. |
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